From mbaehr at email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at  Fri Jul 15 18:31:01 2005
From: mbaehr at email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at (Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E4hr?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:31:01 +0200
Subject: [Planning] [Fwd: This is not spam]
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050712110258.05c45c58@peterbenjamin.com>
References: <42D30AF9.9080709@xman.org>
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On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 11:06:22AM -0700, Peter Benjamin wrote:
> Certainly, the reference to "firm" indicates they do not realize
> we are a user group, thus it must be a form letter they send out
> via email, so it could be spam

what annoyed me the most about it was that they choose "This is not
spam" as a subject.

> Just wish they spent a little more marketing dollars on writing
> a form letter for LUGs.

maybe it helps to send them a nice reply telling them that you'd forward
this to the list if they address the lug properly and use a proper
meaningfull subject.

some people have been known to learn if they are taught nicely.

as for them addressing a company, one could say that they are addressing
the comanies that are readers on the list, but for that they would have
better written an introductory line addressing the lug, asking to
forward the rest.

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From pete-lug at peterbenjamin.com  Tue Jul 12 14:06:22 2005
From: pete-lug at peterbenjamin.com (Peter Benjamin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:06:22 -0700
Subject: [Planning] [Fwd: This is not spam]
In-Reply-To: <42D30AF9.9080709@xman.org>
References: <42D30AF9.9080709@xman.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050712110258.05c45c58@peterbenjamin.com>

At 05:12 PM 7/11/2005, Christopher Smith wrote:
>My first instinct is that this is indeed spam so I haven't read it
>thoroughly, but I'm passing it along in case someone thinks it's worthy
>of further attention.


Certainly, the reference to "firm" indicates they do not realize
we are a user group, thus it must be a form letter they send out
via email, so it could be spam, but it is a service to our members
to let them know of this event, far ahead of time, in case our
member might want to have their firm participate, so it is a good
thing.

Just wish they spent a little more marketing dollars on writing
a form letter for LUGs.

I vote for letting posts like this through.  Linux conferences
in LA are important for our members to know about in advance.
Even if the format is a little spamish.



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From kcohen at datatriage.com  Tue Jul 12 13:40:47 2005
From: kcohen at datatriage.com (Kevin Cohen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:40:47 -0700
Subject: [Planning] [Fwd: This is not spam]
References: <42D30AF9.9080709@xman.org>
Message-ID: <005101c58708$d6c9ba80$0283a8c0@dell01>

Is that a 20 year veteran knoppix user?  Or a 20 year Linux user?  Or a 20 
year Linux instructor?

It is a little pricey for my blood.

-Kevin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Smith" <x at xman.org>
To: "lula-planning-list" <planning at lula.org>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: [Planning] [Fwd: This is not spam]


> My first instinct is that this is indeed spam so I haven't read it
> thoroughly, but I'm passing it along in case someone thinks it's worthy
> of further attention.
>
> --Chris
>


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From x at xman.org  Thu Jul  7 16:40:53 2005
From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Planning] Update on server status
Message-ID: <42CD9355.7060305@xman.org>

Just to notify everyone of what's going on Gary has generously got us up
and running with a new Dual Pentium II processor system (an impressive
step up from our tired old Pentium Pro system) running FC4. Not only
does this mean we've got a modern and hopefully more secure software
platform, but we now have 4x the bogomips! I've named the machine
"squid" ("lula" is Portugese for squid) and am in the process of getting
mailman setup on it. My plan is to start by forwarding mail to the new
machine, then web requests, and then finally update the DNS and then
have Gary put the old machine out of it's misery.

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From x at xman.org  Tue Jul 12 11:06:07 2005
From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:06:07 -0700
Subject: [Planning] Fwd: LinuxBazis search engine
Message-ID: <42D3DC5F.1070508@xman.org>

I am mostly forwarding this because of the amusing question about
LinuxToday. ;-)

--Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bajk? Tam?s <BTamas at linuxbazis.hu <mailto:BTamas at linuxbazis.hu>>
Date: Jul 12, 2005 3:01 AM
Subject: LinuxBazis search engine
To: webmaster at lula.org <mailto:webmaster at lula.org>


Dear honorable webmaster!

We would like offer the link of LinuxBazis to your
http://www.lula.org/links.html page.

Name --> LinuxBazis :: the only Hungarian Linux search engine
Link   --> http://www.linuxbazis.hu/

We also have a question:
Why do you offer the link of Linux Today on your site?
The LinuxToday news portal is a Microsoft sponsored place . . .

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From dank at kegel.com  Tue Jul 12 02:10:14 2005
From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:10:14 -0700
Subject: [Planning] [Fwd: This is not spam]
In-Reply-To: <42D30AF9.9080709@xman.org>
References: <42D30AF9.9080709@xman.org>
Message-ID: <42D35EC6.1060403@kegel.com>

Looks like a pretty small outfit.

They're listed as a sponsor of SCALE 4x, though, so they might be
more than a one-person shop...
- Dan

Christopher Smith wrote:
> My first instinct is that this is indeed spam so I haven't read it
> thoroughly, but I'm passing it along in case someone thinks it's worthy
> of further attention.
> 
> --Chris
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject:
> This is not spam
> From:
> "Heather Bell" <heatherbell1973 at hotmail.com>
> Date:
> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:37:13 -0700
> To:
> lula-owner at lula.org
> 
> To:
> lula-owner at lula.org
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am writing in regards to the Linux/Knoppix Expo Abco Technology will 
> be holding in August. We will be holding this seminar at a local Hotel 
> conference room in the Los Angeles area. Our aim for attendance is a 
> conservative rate of 100 people; each person will have their own 
> individual lap-top and will receive a copy of the latest Knoppix CD.  
> The seminar is being presented by a 20 year veteran instructor from Abco 
> Technology named Steve Stansfield along with possible attendance by Dr. 
> James Stanger who is the Director of US business Development for the 
> Linux Professional Institute www.lpi.org . I?m contacting you to invite 
> your company to participate with a booth at our seminar. There is a flat 
> fee of $499 for your personal booth set up and for individual 
> participation in the seminar there is a $199 fee, the seminar will be a 
> direct contrast of Microsoft vs. Linux. This is going to be an exciting 
> conference you will not want to miss. Please contact me as soon as 
> practical for information on this seminar as booth and student 
> availability is limited.
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> Heather Bell
> Marketing Manager
> 
> Abco Technology Inc.
> 310-216-3067
> 
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From dank at kegel.com  Tue Jul 12 12:12:33 2005
From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:12:33 -0700
Subject: [Planning] Fwd: LinuxBazis search engine
In-Reply-To: <42D3DC5F.1070508@xman.org>
References: <42D3DC5F.1070508@xman.org>
Message-ID: <42D3EBF1.7010408@kegel.com>

Y'know, he has a point.  LinuxToday runs a lot of Microsoft
ads these days.  But the main reason I'm annoyed at them
is the big animations... they don't work well when running
Mozilla over a remote X connection over ssh from Ottawa :-)

Christopher Smith wrote:
> I am mostly forwarding this because of the amusing question about
> LinuxToday. ;-)
> 
> --Chris
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bajk? Tam?s <BTamas at linuxbazis.hu <mailto:BTamas at linuxbazis.hu>>
> Date: Jul 12, 2005 3:01 AM
> Subject: LinuxBazis search engine
> To: webmaster at lula.org <mailto:webmaster at lula.org>
> 
> 
> Dear honorable webmaster!
> 
> We would like offer the link of LinuxBazis to your
> http://www.lula.org/links.html page.
> 
> Name --> LinuxBazis :: the only Hungarian Linux search engine
> Link   --> http://www.linuxbazis.hu/
> 
> We also have a question:
> Why do you offer the link of Linux Today on your site?
> The LinuxToday news portal is a Microsoft sponsored place . . .
> 
> --
> Best Regards,
> LinuxBazis -team-
> Tamas Bajko
> +36(70) 312-9507
> BTamas at linuxbazis.hu <mailto:BTamas at linuxbazis.hu>
> http://www.linuxbazis.hu/
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From kcohen at datatriage.com  Mon Jul 18 19:29:05 2005
From: kcohen at datatriage.com (Kevin Cohen)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:29:05 -0700
Subject: [Planning] web-page
Message-ID: <005c01c58bf0$7d6610a0$0283a8c0@dell01>

hi all,

I have access to the lula server, or think I have access to it.  However, I can not alter the web-page as I do not have access.  Sudo won't let me either because I don't have the root password.  is there a way we can update the web page.  Is someone in charge of that.  Can I get access?


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From x at xman.org  Mon Jul 18 19:49:44 2005
From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:49:44 -0700
Subject: [Planning] web-page
In-Reply-To: <005c01c58bf0$7d6610a0$0283a8c0@dell01>
References: <005c01c58bf0$7d6610a0$0283a8c0@dell01>
Message-ID: <42DC4018.1020604@xman.org>

Kevin Cohen wrote:
> I have access to the lula server, or think I have access to it. 
> However, I can not alter the web-page as I do not have access.  Sudo
> won't let me either because I don't have the root password.  is there a
> way we can update the web page.  Is someone in charge of that.  Can I
> get access?

sudo should just require your password, not the root password. That's
the magic of sudo.

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From x at xman.org  Mon Jul 11 20:12:41 2005
From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Planning] [Fwd: This is not spam]
Message-ID: <42D30AF9.9080709@xman.org>

My first instinct is that this is indeed spam so I haven't read it
thoroughly, but I'm passing it along in case someone thinks it's worthy
of further attention.

--Chris
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From dank at kegel.com  Tue Jul 12 12:56:40 2005
From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Planning] Fwd: LinuxBazis search engine
In-Reply-To: <42D3F402.9020504@xman.org>
References: <42D3DC5F.1070508@xman.org> <42D3EBF1.7010408@kegel.com>
	 <42D3F402.9020504@xman.org>
Message-ID: <42D3F648.3060009@kegel.com>

Christopher Smith wrote:
> Dan Kegel wrote:
> 
>>Y'know, he has a point.  LinuxToday runs a lot of Microsoft
>>ads these days.
> 
> 
> More power too them. If Microsoft is increasingly having to advertise
> into the Linux space, I think they'll have to spend more dollars to get
> the same return. Too me it just seems like an indicator that Linux has
> mutured at least within the broader developer community.

Yep.  But I do worry about LinuxToday running Microsoft's
phony linux ads (the "Linux Reference Center" one in particular).
It's deceptive.

>>But the main reason I'm annoyed at them
>>is the big animations... they don't work well when running
>>Mozilla over a remote X connection over ssh from Ottawa :-)
> 
> Look at using NX instead of standard X forwarding:

I should also have tried ssh compression or lbx.

> For that matter... *don't run your browser remotely*!! ;-)

Heh.  I did switch to pine, it was much easier.
But I do like a good stress test.  One
*ought* to be able to run a browser remotely,
and it's fun to see where the problems are.
(Hint: never try to drag and drop with mozilla
email on a < 10Mbit/sec standard remote X connection.)
- Dan

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From x at xman.org  Tue Jul 12 12:46:58 2005
From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:46:58 -0700
Subject: [Planning] Fwd: LinuxBazis search engine
In-Reply-To: <42D3EBF1.7010408@kegel.com>
References: <42D3DC5F.1070508@xman.org> <42D3EBF1.7010408@kegel.com>
Message-ID: <42D3F402.9020504@xman.org>

Dan Kegel wrote:
> Y'know, he has a point.  LinuxToday runs a lot of Microsoft
> ads these days.

More power too them. If Microsoft is increasingly having to advertise
into the Linux space, I think they'll have to spend more dollars to get
the same return. Too me it just seems like an indicator that Linux has
mutured at least within the broader developer community.

> But the main reason I'm annoyed at them
> is the big animations... they don't work well when running
> Mozilla over a remote X connection over ssh from Ottawa :-)

Look at using NX instead of standard X forwarding:

http://www.nomachine.com/

And yes, there is an open source version of the server:

https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/freenx-knx

For that matter... *don't run your browser remotely*!! ;-)

--Chris
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