From x at xman.org Tue Jan 10 02:08:04 2006 From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:08:04 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Protecting LULA lists Message-ID: <43C35D54.80106@xman.org> So, I have to admit that I haven't been carefully tracking lula subscriptions, but tonight I idly noticed that someone from Superios Staffing Solutions (http://www.superiorss.com/) subscribed to our list for ~6 minutes tonight. I'm figuring thist was done to get access to the member list. So two questions come to mind: 1) Do we really mind if the only people grabbing our member list are recruiters (keep in mind lots of folks are looking for a job)? 2) If so, how do we want to address it? The quickest and most straightforward solution to #2 to me is to require the list admin approve new subscriptions. Annoying for me, and probably even more annoying for new subscribers, but it would mitigate this problem to some degree. Any other suggestions are more than welcome. --Chris _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From x at xman.org Tue Jan 17 16:15:01 2006 From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:15:01 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Can somebody update the lula web page? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CD5E55.7010902@xman.org> Dan Kegel wrote: > I don't yet have an account on the new server, > it seems. Could somebody update the web page > to list tonight's meeting? Details were just posted to > the main list. How's about I just give you an account? ;-) --Chris _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From rgolan at superconcentrated.com Tue Jan 3 18:51:25 2006 From: rgolan at superconcentrated.com (Ron Golan) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:51:25 -0800 Subject: [Planning] New server stuff In-Reply-To: <43B91487.5030106@xman.org> References: <43B91487.5030106@xman.org> Message-ID: <20060103235125.GB13769@superconcentrated.com> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 03:54:47AM -0800, Christopher Smith wrote: > So, for those of you who haven't read your LULA mail yet: > > http://www2.lula.org/pipermail/lula/2006-January/005103.html > > (www.lula.org should work, but www2.lula.org will definitely work) > > For the record, the old host can be reached at old.lula.org. > > Some planning points on this matter: > > 1) The old server is still running DNS. It's set up as a slave of new > server. > 2) The old server has a lot of accounts, DNS secondaries, etc. on it. > Basically a lot of cruft. If there is any cruft from the old server that > you'd like to see on the new server, now is most definitely the time to > speak up and/or do something. > 3) I think we need to update the whois information. Right now that's > still controlled by Clay. I haven't heard back from him about this. > Anyone else feel like handling responsibility for this? > 4) Right now our DNS is through Kenwood's servers, which is kind of > strange as it is, because I didn't see anything resembling acl's > limiting transfers to their servers... > 5) We have still not got any spam filtering set up on the server. Based > on how much spam I get through lula.org, and how much I saw in the logs > on the old machine. I'm tempted to revist this policy. Thoughts? > 6) We have a lot of list members who have had mail delivery disabled. > Probably as many as half our members. Some have had this status for > quite some time. I'm wondering if it makes sense to do some "spring > cleaning" of the list. > 7) At some point I want to shut down DNS on the old box. The config > isn't super secure, and of course that box is getting a tad flakey in > general. So, anyone who's using the box as a secondary should stand up > now and do something about it. I'm using www.lula.org as a secondary and I'd like to continue if possible. I can set this up myself or if you and Michael prefer, you can set it up. If we want to change the policy and stop providing that service, I can find another solution though I'd rather not. > 8) Right now the old server does not have any smtp daemon running. I > think it's been used as a backup MX for mutt.org (possibly others). If > so, that configuration needs to be moved to the new server (perhaps > after the IP has been changed)... probably sooner rather than later. > > There's probably a few other things I'm forgetting, but I'm tired. ;-) > > --Chris > _______________________________________________ > Planning mailing list > Planning at lula.org > http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning > -- Ron Golan GPG key http://home.comcast.net/~rgolan/gpg.asc _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From dank at kegel.com Tue Jan 17 15:57:24 2006 From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:57:24 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Can somebody update the lula web page? Message-ID: I don't yet have an account on the new server, it seems. Could somebody update the web page to list tonight's meeting? Details were just posted to the main list. - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From kcohen at datatriage.com Tue Jan 10 16:20:38 2006 From: kcohen at datatriage.com (Kevin Cohen) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:20:38 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Next Tuesday Message-ID: <00e701c6162b$b48c82b0$0283a8c0@dell01> Dan, are you speaking Next Tuesday? Next Tuesday, I'm in Orange County and might be late for the meeting. I do have a projector that I normally bring. If you need my projector, perhaps someone can swing by the west side, or somehow we can make a transfer on Monday. Kevin Cohen, CISSP EnCE President Data Triage Technologies, LLC www.datatriage.com Phone: (310) 478-2113 Fax:: (310) 478-3493 e-mail: kcohen at datatriage.com _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From x at xman.org Mon Jan 2 14:19:50 2006 From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:19:50 -0800 Subject: [Planning] New server stuff In-Reply-To: References: <43B91487.5030106@xman.org> Message-ID: <43B97CD6.7060809@xman.org> Dan Kegel wrote: >On 1/2/06, Christopher Smith wrote: > > >>So, for those of you who haven't read your LULA mail yet: >> >>http://www2.lula.org/pipermail/lula/2006-January/005103.html >> >>(www.lula.org should work, but www2.lula.org will definitely work) >> >>For the record, the old host can be reached at old.lula.org. >> >> > >Not at the moment... seems to be down. > > Hmm... must be a DNS issue. Chances are if old.lula.org won't get you to the old server, www.lula.org will. If not, it's IP is just "new server IP - 1". ;-) --Chris _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From dank at kegel.com Mon Jan 2 11:24:58 2006 From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:24:58 -0800 Subject: [Planning] New server stuff In-Reply-To: <43B91487.5030106@xman.org> References: <43B91487.5030106@xman.org> Message-ID: On 1/2/06, Christopher Smith wrote: > So, for those of you who haven't read your LULA mail yet: > > http://www2.lula.org/pipermail/lula/2006-January/005103.html > > (www.lula.org should work, but www2.lula.org will definitely work) > > For the record, the old host can be reached at old.lula.org. Not at the moment... seems to be down. Thanks for taking care of this, Chris! I agree, leave all the cruft on the old server and shut it off. - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From x at xman.org Tue Jan 17 16:15:01 2006 From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:15:01 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Can somebody update the lula web page? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CD5E55.7010902@xman.org> Dan Kegel wrote: > I don't yet have an account on the new server, > it seems. Could somebody update the web page > to list tonight's meeting? Details were just posted to > the main list. How's about I just give you an account? ;-) --Chris _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From x at xman.org Tue Jan 3 19:06:12 2006 From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:06:12 -0800 Subject: [Planning] New server stuff In-Reply-To: <20060103235125.GB13769@superconcentrated.com> References: <43B91487.5030106@xman.org> <20060103235125.GB13769@superconcentrated.com> Message-ID: <43BB1174.1040207@xman.org> Ron Golan wrote: > I'm using www.lula.org as a secondary and I'd like to continue if > possible. I can set this up myself or if you and Michael prefer, you can > set it up. If we want to change the policy and stop providing that > service, I can find another solution though I'd rather not. I think we should keep providing the service. You'll need to adjust your ACL's for the new IP. I'll copy it over this afternoon and get it setup. I'll also get around to giving you an account on the machine if you like. --Chris _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From x at xman.org Mon Jan 2 06:54:47 2006 From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:54:47 -0800 Subject: [Planning] New server stuff Message-ID: <43B91487.5030106@xman.org> So, for those of you who haven't read your LULA mail yet: http://www2.lula.org/pipermail/lula/2006-January/005103.html (www.lula.org should work, but www2.lula.org will definitely work) For the record, the old host can be reached at old.lula.org. Some planning points on this matter: 1) The old server is still running DNS. It's set up as a slave of new server. 2) The old server has a lot of accounts, DNS secondaries, etc. on it. Basically a lot of cruft. If there is any cruft from the old server that you'd like to see on the new server, now is most definitely the time to speak up and/or do something. 3) I think we need to update the whois information. Right now that's still controlled by Clay. I haven't heard back from him about this. Anyone else feel like handling responsibility for this? 4) Right now our DNS is through Kenwood's servers, which is kind of strange as it is, because I didn't see anything resembling acl's limiting transfers to their servers... 5) We have still not got any spam filtering set up on the server. Based on how much spam I get through lula.org, and how much I saw in the logs on the old machine. I'm tempted to revist this policy. Thoughts? 6) We have a lot of list members who have had mail delivery disabled. Probably as many as half our members. Some have had this status for quite some time. I'm wondering if it makes sense to do some "spring cleaning" of the list. 7) At some point I want to shut down DNS on the old box. The config isn't super secure, and of course that box is getting a tad flakey in general. So, anyone who's using the box as a secondary should stand up now and do something about it. 8) Right now the old server does not have any smtp daemon running. I think it's been used as a backup MX for mutt.org (possibly others). If so, that configuration needs to be moved to the new server (perhaps after the IP has been changed)... probably sooner rather than later. There's probably a few other things I'm forgetting, but I'm tired. ;-) --Chris _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From dank at kegel.com Tue Jan 17 15:57:24 2006 From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:57:24 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Can somebody update the lula web page? Message-ID: I don't yet have an account on the new server, it seems. Could somebody update the web page to list tonight's meeting? Details were just posted to the main list. - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From x at xman.org Tue Jan 10 02:08:04 2006 From: x at xman.org (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:08:04 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Protecting LULA lists Message-ID: <43C35D54.80106@xman.org> So, I have to admit that I haven't been carefully tracking lula subscriptions, but tonight I idly noticed that someone from Superios Staffing Solutions (http://www.superiorss.com/) subscribed to our list for ~6 minutes tonight. I'm figuring thist was done to get access to the member list. So two questions come to mind: 1) Do we really mind if the only people grabbing our member list are recruiters (keep in mind lots of folks are looking for a job)? 2) If so, how do we want to address it? The quickest and most straightforward solution to #2 to me is to require the list admin approve new subscriptions. Annoying for me, and probably even more annoying for new subscribers, but it would mitigate this problem to some degree. Any other suggestions are more than welcome. --Chris _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From dank at kegel.com Tue Jan 10 03:01:02 2006 From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:01:02 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Protecting LULA lists In-Reply-To: <43C35D54.80106@xman.org> References: <43C35D54.80106@xman.org> Message-ID: On 1/9/06, Christopher Smith wrote: > 1) Do we really mind if the only people grabbing our member list are > recruiters (keep in mind lots of folks are looking for a job)? Spammers will do it too eventually. > 2) If so, how do we want to address it? > > The quickest and most straightforward solution to #2 to me is to require > the list admin approve new subscriptions. Annoying for me, and probably > even more annoying for new subscribers, but it would mitigate this > problem to some degree. Any other suggestions are more than welcome. How about making the email addresses unavailable even to subscribers? - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning From dank at kegel.com Tue Jan 10 03:01:02 2006 From: dank at kegel.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:01:02 -0800 Subject: [Planning] Protecting LULA lists In-Reply-To: <43C35D54.80106@xman.org> References: <43C35D54.80106@xman.org> Message-ID: On 1/9/06, Christopher Smith wrote: > 1) Do we really mind if the only people grabbing our member list are > recruiters (keep in mind lots of folks are looking for a job)? Spammers will do it too eventually. > 2) If so, how do we want to address it? > > The quickest and most straightforward solution to #2 to me is to require > the list admin approve new subscriptions. Annoying for me, and probably > even more annoying for new subscribers, but it would mitigate this > problem to some degree. Any other suggestions are more than welcome. How about making the email addresses unavailable even to subscribers? - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv _______________________________________________ Planning mailing list Planning at lula.org http://www.lula.org/mailman/listinfo/planning